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  What the hell, what's the deal with Summons for Jury Service?

  by James Mixon in

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  i posted two years ago with the same subject.

  every two years i receive a summons.

  for jury duty.

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  The one benifit of being a JW felon is you don't have to do jury duty.
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  "No Elder has the Authority to Tell You what to do with Your Health--- Except for Blood!"

  by FusionTheism in

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  watchtower simplified edition, september 2015, "is your conscience a reliable guide:".

  a branch office or the local congregation elders do not have the authority to make medical decisions for a christian, even if he asks what to do.

  (galatians 6:5) however, the elders can share what jehovah says in order to help a christian make a wise decision.

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  I have a ER doctor friend who was raised a JW [he was in his mid teen's when he realized he needed no part of that future]. He told me every hospital room keeps the WBTS book on blood in the ER room. The reason was that it was used to educate the church goers as to what there own policies with blood because it save vast amounts of valuable time and arguing due to the ignorance of their own church policies. Prior to the book the whole emergency room was put on hold until the patient consulted with their church elders. The readers of this site are well aware of the problems of conversing with the 'faithful', the doctors are very thankful that the blood procedure book has alleviated that problem for them.
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  Music buffs.Here we go again. List you're all-time favorite Guitarists

  by flipper in

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  hello ya'll.

  was just listening to great guitar music from some of my favorites.

  who are your all time favorites?

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  Doc Watson

  Bryan Sutton

  John Moore

  Clarence White

  Norman Blake
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  To My Generation: Jehovah's Witnesses of the Vietnam War Era

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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  to my generation: jehovah's witnesses of the vietnam war era .

  if you were a young brother in the late 60's you then remember the burden of the draft and the prospect of going to jail for refusing on religious grounds to be called up.

  in those days we were taught that to do community service was conscientiously the same as joining the military and so we were told to refuse such exemptions.

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  How well I rembember. I was instructed in writing that community service in lieu of military induction was a compromise of conscience. I was sentenced in 1968 to pay a $3,000.00 fine and 5 years probation. The judge in Sacramento was a fan of Abraham Lincoln where you could buy your way out of army for $300.00, he tacked on a zero for inflation. He reasoned why send us to prison, the only thing that did was to cost the govt. money to house us, whereas a fine was bringing in money. It took me 7 years to pay off that fine. And I still am pissed about it.
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  3rd Gen DF'd finally writing

  by AFreeBeliever in

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  i've been reading many of the postings on this forum for a couplefew years, finally joined today.

  i think reading cappytan, and others like that, compelled me to share, it seems i might have a bit of a different outcome than many i have read, perhaps it will be hopeful/helpful to someone.. i was a born-in, 3rd gen jw, my entire family (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and most all of my childhood friends) were in.

  some dropped by the wayside as the years went on, but many stayed in, and if they didn't, they still acted/talked as if they believed it was "the truth" and it was their weaknesses/failings that made them stop attending.

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  Interesting as of how today connection is made that you and I are family. I always enjoyed being arould Norma Lee and Punk just shows how not living in a family is not knowing what goes on. The last time I talked with Judy I could well se what you were up against as she was the local recruiter sending boys to Bethel.

  For what it is worth I went into the 'valley of dark shadow' with a special verse in the Bible Micah 6:8 and went through the valley with the realization that everything we learned about the heavenly persons and personalities was true. In my mind I strung together Micah 6:8, Matt.23:23 justice, mercy & faithfulness and Jas.1:27 that true worship from the point of view of God was in our love in him as expressed in how we conducted our life as towards showing the qualties love, kindness, justice and mercy toward his creation. That realization makes possible the view that true worshipers exist through out the various multitudes of religious entities, yet not the posssession of their church rulers, as it is hearts that define worship not dogma. I kept the 'baby' when throwing out the wash water but unlike you I am alone as alone can be, due to my fighting the church.

  I will PM you it would be interesting find out the name of a long lost cousin.

  Bill
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  Introducing myself

  by Bill Covert in

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  it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

  i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

  my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

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  Amazing This is something quite unexpected, Yes it is cool.

  I really liked your dad and your uncle Jim, I thought Judy's side of the family had a lot more going than the Garig side. I just got on this site about a month ago, yet I have been monitoring it for a couple of years to keep up on internal changes with in the church.I use the material for a letter writing campaign I have been running for several years, it even got included in the "Human Apostate" talk a couple of years ago. I have been fighting the church very hard in the Redding area for many years trying to break their mental hold on famlies minds. Been running a technical angle with a Bible verse relating to a securties fraud. Pretty much at the point of either winning or losing in next few months.

  I will try to connect with you on the privite message side and we can talk family and get to know you.

  Shalom Bill
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  Introducing myself

  by Bill Covert in

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  it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

  i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

  my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

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  jwleaks I noticed. Mayby we can do some business. Read my two posts real carefully see if you can pick up on the fine point of how the new Revised NWT rendition of Lev.5:1 has the ability to show that the JW church policy of informing on your brothers is solely based on a deception found in the Sept 1 1987 Wt article "A Time To Speak When". Barbara Anderson and I have been working on this project ever since the RNWT was released. Problem being that is one busy lady. Yesterday she sent me a draft on the the issue of which she sees the value in regard to the molestation issues. I spent the afternoon working on my input. The point is one of those hard to see points but then when you do see it there is a big picture behind it. We will get something worked up to be posted.

  As I stated in my posts this fine point is what was the subject of those letters refered to in the Human Apostate talk a couple of years ago. It is also the subject of the letters Barbara remembers from when she was in Bethel when she asked me if perchance I was the man in Northern Calif. who wrote the most offensive letters on anyone in the USA, to which I said bingo. Some how the church took offence when I told them that "I was going to shove a swindler Ray Dale up the Governing Bodies ass so far and so hard that they were forever going to have a foul taste in their mouths and and I was going to use Lev.5:1 to do it".
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  Introducing myself

  by Bill Covert in

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  it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

  i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

  my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

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  AFreeBeliever Was you Dad Punk? The machinist.
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  Introducing myself

  by Bill Covert in

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  it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

  i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

  my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

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  A Free Believer

  Eunice is my mother, her name was Eunice Covert. I lived in the Crow Canyon house in 1966. So then who are you? We are family. Bill
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  Introducing myself

  by Bill Covert in

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  it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

  i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

  my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

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  Stuck in the middle37

  Glenn Colombo moved from Santa Cruz to Redding mid 1980's, sold a automotive vinyl stripping busness to finance "Dale and Colombo Financial Planners Inc". Basicly Glenn was a chump who got taken in by a truly devious decitful shyster. Although Glenn was right in there when the dastardly deeds were done. Glenn was prideful on his supposed ability to bull shit his way through life. He was a terror to the to the flock in position of elder. He lost his money invested in Ray Dale and I am sure he had to sign legal documents stating he had no issues with Ray Dale before Ray would let him out of partnership. Went back to Santa Cruz. I saw on TV that his son was a surfing champion, heard he was disfellowshiped and daughter was also out following the surfing crowd.

  Last thing I heard was when one of my sons was in Mexico he ran into Glenn and Barbara.

  Glenn enjoyed the feel of power as he was the trumpet section for Ray Dale as Dale had all the main positions of influence and power. Ray Dale bought his positions, 'simony', the main seller of positions of power was circuit overseer Billy Ford [who came to his end when his little fat assed son in law of whom Billy Ford convinced the church to make a circuit overseer got caught poking fun at the sisterhood as he made his rounds through the circuit].

  I think I heard Glenn's mother got stung to trying to bail out her baby boy from the clutches of Ray Dale, though not real sure.